1 00:00:09,580 --> 00:00:01,969 this is James Randi and you're listening 2 00:00:16,240 --> 00:00:12,740 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 3 00:00:20,060 --> 00:00:16,250 from Australia for science and reason 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:20,070 yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan 5 00:00:28,820 --> 00:00:26,900 hello Richard Stefan it's good to be 6 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:28,830 back again here we are back in the old 7 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:33,330 skeptic zone for the 13th friday the 13 8 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:36,210 or thats pretty superstitious against 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:38,460 superstition is it going to go well well 10 00:00:43,549 --> 00:00:40,290 this is the front of the 13th but shows 11 00:00:45,410 --> 00:00:43,559 17 so if you had 0 17 and our birth 12 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:45,420 dates you do the numerology on that it's 13 00:00:49,340 --> 00:00:47,820 all good we'll get a listen to dreamr 14 00:00:51,979 --> 00:00:49,350 ology later so it's going to be a great 15 00:00:54,259 --> 00:00:51,989 show it's a superstitious show oh I'm 16 00:00:57,079 --> 00:00:54,269 getting worried already I'm was worried 17 00:00:58,850 --> 00:00:57,089 all week we have a mark hen he's going 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:00:58,860 to be talking to Kylie Sturgis about 19 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:01,290 superstitions excellent grain of salt 20 00:01:05,810 --> 00:01:03,000 with Iran this week looks at 21 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:05,820 superstition with regard to religion in 22 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:07,140 just services there's none of that is 23 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:09,330 there well that will find here findings 24 00:01:13,820 --> 00:01:11,970 are listening because with me of course 25 00:01:16,399 --> 00:01:13,830 the roundup with Michael looking at some 26 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:16,409 cults including scientist I until he's 27 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:19,020 an adult no no of course not no they're 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:21,570 completely legitimate sources okay then 29 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:24,210 and then what the think tank he could be 30 00:01:28,219 --> 00:01:26,400 good old think tank and with Dave the 31 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:28,229 happy singer our recurring special guest 32 00:01:32,899 --> 00:01:31,020 is dr. hu of course with another look at 33 00:01:34,580 --> 00:01:32,909 medical quackery oh she's good isn't she 34 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:34,590 good thing about dr. Richie she really 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:36,350 knows her stuff she chooses 36 00:01:42,020 --> 00:01:39,090 microbiologists el celular deal about 37 00:01:44,209 --> 00:01:42,030 yeah all bison same thing cellular 38 00:01:45,380 --> 00:01:44,219 biologist so every go she's the only one 39 00:01:48,169 --> 00:01:45,390 on the show who knows what she's talking 40 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:48,179 about though as she's able to really get 41 00:01:51,620 --> 00:01:49,920 to the bottom of it and get the facts 42 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:51,630 out which is really good because a lot 43 00:01:55,489 --> 00:01:53,609 of the stuff that all the cracker is is 44 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:55,499 on about it is just no facts that's 45 00:01:58,580 --> 00:01:56,969 right it's just all like anecdotes and 46 00:02:01,609 --> 00:01:58,590 things oh we so they just make stuff up 47 00:02:03,349 --> 00:02:01,619 ya know Reggie not based on the bottom 48 00:02:16,490 --> 00:02:03,359 of it oh I was gonna be a great show 49 00:02:22,110 --> 00:02:19,590 dr. mark hen is from the University of 50 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:22,120 New Hampshire's psychology department on 51 00:02:27,260 --> 00:02:24,910 a recent visit to New York our reporter 52 00:02:33,590 --> 00:02:27,270 Kylie Sturgis caught up with dr. hen and 53 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:36,420 so what is a superstition and why are 54 00:02:41,190 --> 00:02:38,710 they so many studies done regarding 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:41,200 sport and superstition because it's so 56 00:02:46,650 --> 00:02:45,130 rich I mean what is the superstition we 57 00:02:49,980 --> 00:02:46,660 have several broad you know different 58 00:02:51,390 --> 00:02:49,990 definitions Skinner's paper on BF 59 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:51,400 Skinner's paper on superstition in the 60 00:02:58,140 --> 00:02:55,750 pigeon look at superstition as behavior 61 00:03:00,420 --> 00:02:58,150 that is controlled by its consequences 62 00:03:03,740 --> 00:03:00,430 but the behavior itself is not 63 00:03:06,150 --> 00:03:03,750 responsible for those consequences so 64 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:06,160 non-contingent reinforcement you do 65 00:03:12,890 --> 00:03:09,550 something some fortuitous result happens 66 00:03:16,110 --> 00:03:12,900 and you put those two together you 67 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:16,120 happen to do a little whatever it is 68 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:18,730 before big game you in the game you can 69 00:03:25,170 --> 00:03:21,970 continue doing that and in sports for a 70 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:25,180 number of reasons we even get into it's 71 00:03:31,470 --> 00:03:29,830 perfect for superstition first off you 72 00:03:34,290 --> 00:03:31,480 have a lot of chances for success or 73 00:03:36,270 --> 00:03:34,300 failure and oddly enough the better you 74 00:03:40,190 --> 00:03:36,280 get in a sport the more chance you have 75 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:40,200 to associate some success with some 76 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:43,510 arbitrary thing and so the higher up you 77 00:03:49,650 --> 00:03:46,560 get in sports the more superstitious 78 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:49,660 athletes tend to be because they've had 79 00:03:56,460 --> 00:03:52,330 more opportunity for success the other 80 00:03:58,230 --> 00:03:56,470 thing is that sport is chancing and if 81 00:03:59,610 --> 00:03:58,240 there's something that you are really 82 00:04:01,560 --> 00:03:59,620 really good at and you can guarantee 83 00:04:02,970 --> 00:04:01,570 every single time you can get it right 84 00:04:07,020 --> 00:04:02,980 no reason deficit 85 00:04:10,559 --> 00:04:07,030 that but in say baseball the best 86 00:04:13,289 --> 00:04:10,569 hitters are successful one third of the 87 00:04:18,150 --> 00:04:13,299 time Oh point three three three batting 88 00:04:21,210 --> 00:04:18,160 average is fantastic and so they can do 89 00:04:23,070 --> 00:04:21,220 everything perfect and that's not 90 00:04:25,530 --> 00:04:23,080 necessarily because it's not all up to 91 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:25,540 them they hit the ball somebody happens 92 00:04:30,210 --> 00:04:28,960 to catch it have a fantastic day the 93 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:30,220 rest of the team doesn't they still 94 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:33,250 moves so it's not all up to them and 95 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:35,289 when you have those risky situations 96 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:38,800 like gambling lots of superstitions with 97 00:04:42,719 --> 00:04:40,960 gambling when something you don't have 98 00:04:45,659 --> 00:04:42,729 control over you're looking for any kind 99 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:45,669 of control you can get and superstitious 100 00:04:53,159 --> 00:04:51,310 behavior may very well be a temp to get 101 00:04:55,890 --> 00:04:53,169 more control than you actually have in a 102 00:04:57,779 --> 00:04:55,900 situation superstition also carries over 103 00:05:02,640 --> 00:04:57,789 to the fans in the stadium is bad oh 104 00:05:04,710 --> 00:05:02,650 absolutely the fans I wore this shirt to 105 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:04,720 this game anyone so I'm going to keep 106 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:06,310 wearing this year to the to the games 107 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:08,710 here I'm not going to wash my socks 108 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:12,280 until the streak is over there are fans 109 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:15,370 who always have to come into the arena 110 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:17,530 through the same door because they did 111 00:05:27,450 --> 00:05:23,220 at that time in 18 1 yes that fans the 112 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:27,460 movie what was the one with nature of 113 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:29,950 your a you can see the I think 114 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:31,300 that's what it's called is a British 115 00:05:36,089 --> 00:05:33,400 wonkavator pitch and those American one 116 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:36,099 which is based upon the same perception 117 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:38,620 bottom line is if the fans are insane 118 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:42,130 about that myself included my son and 119 00:05:45,450 --> 00:05:44,020 I'll watch glee the grounds games and we 120 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:45,460 have the Cleveland Browns bear and 121 00:05:49,230 --> 00:05:46,870 that's shirts and they this in the 122 00:05:49,990 --> 00:05:49,240 football and because that superstition 123 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:50,000 are 124 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:52,610 just allegiance you take a bit of both I 125 00:05:56,770 --> 00:05:54,050 mean the other thing is that I know full 126 00:06:00,940 --> 00:05:56,780 well that that the things that I do 127 00:06:04,150 --> 00:06:00,950 don't matter and yet learning is not 128 00:06:07,390 --> 00:06:04,160 something that is necessarily up here 129 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:07,400 learning is your body you you your whole 130 00:06:13,870 --> 00:06:11,690 self and you there is an association is 131 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:13,880 just not a causal association there is 132 00:06:18,910 --> 00:06:17,030 an association we detect these 133 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:18,920 probabilities if you will and i found 134 00:06:28,630 --> 00:06:26,870 out if we were to actually measure the 135 00:06:31,690 --> 00:06:28,640 success and failure of say the Cleveland 136 00:06:36,370 --> 00:06:31,700 Browns when I watch them they are in 137 00:06:37,450 --> 00:06:36,380 fact more likely to lose Wow now the 138 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:37,460 reason years that's because they've hit 139 00:06:42,550 --> 00:06:39,470 a losing record is it completely 140 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:42,560 independent of my watching them yeah but 141 00:06:48,220 --> 00:06:44,950 when I watch them they have lost and 142 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:48,230 that's completely objective yeah when I 143 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:51,710 watch them they lose and so of course as 144 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:56,300 an organism you have to learn from these 145 00:07:00,130 --> 00:06:58,250 associations it's a real true 146 00:07:01,659 --> 00:07:00,140 association in the real world you're 147 00:07:05,710 --> 00:07:01,669 responding to that you're learning that 148 00:07:09,610 --> 00:07:05,720 and so at a gut level I want to watch 149 00:07:12,940 --> 00:07:09,620 the game if i watch it don't lose and so 150 00:07:14,380 --> 00:07:12,950 yeah serebro level of course no it 151 00:07:16,090 --> 00:07:14,390 doesn't make any difference how could it 152 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:16,100 possibly make a difference that I'm 153 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:17,690 watching the game and therefore they're 154 00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:23,120 going to lose but it's true and they one 155 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:24,200 of the things I noticed when I was 156 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:26,150 interviewing the Australian Institute of 157 00:07:31,570 --> 00:07:28,550 sports people many of the younger people 158 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:31,580 were very aware of the older generation 159 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:33,710 of athletes having particular 160 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:34,910 superstitions and they 161 00:07:39,250 --> 00:07:37,970 his statements were well we noticed that 162 00:07:41,290 --> 00:07:39,260 they had these superstitions but they 163 00:07:44,110 --> 00:07:41,300 seem to rely on that less than we do 164 00:07:48,220 --> 00:07:44,120 does I each have much of a fne France on 165 00:07:50,740 --> 00:07:48,230 superstition I don't know a learning 166 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:50,750 history yeah should whether it does or 167 00:07:56,470 --> 00:07:53,590 not I don't know but the older athletes 168 00:07:59,740 --> 00:07:56,480 would have had more opportunities to 169 00:08:01,930 --> 00:07:59,750 have success or failure associated with 170 00:08:04,690 --> 00:08:01,940 particular things they're also going to 171 00:08:07,780 --> 00:08:04,700 simply be more known so very easy for 172 00:08:10,150 --> 00:08:07,790 you to look and see Oh in the United 173 00:08:13,980 --> 00:08:10,160 States said Wade Boggs well known for 174 00:08:17,380 --> 00:08:13,990 the eating chicken before each game 175 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:17,390 Jason Kidd had a very particular routine 176 00:08:21,730 --> 00:08:18,800 they went through before foul shots 177 00:08:24,460 --> 00:08:21,740 we're going to get back to that does 178 00:08:27,070 --> 00:08:24,470 Sparky Anderson and baseball always want 179 00:08:31,210 --> 00:08:27,080 to walk over never step on the chalk 180 00:08:33,820 --> 00:08:31,220 line in the baseline and people who are 181 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:33,830 very well known 182 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:36,470 very good very successful well of course 183 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:40,430 people know them and so it may seem that 184 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:42,710 there are more superstitions simply 185 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:44,300 because they're that much more available 186 00:08:49,630 --> 00:08:47,210 yeah and more popular and they for engga 187 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:49,640 absolutely and and and everything is 188 00:08:53,730 --> 00:08:51,290 known about these athletes you have 189 00:08:57,550 --> 00:08:53,740 newspaper writers and the sportscasters 190 00:08:59,290 --> 00:08:57,560 delving into every detail and there's a 191 00:09:03,430 --> 00:08:59,300 lot of the superstitions that are not 192 00:09:04,990 --> 00:09:03,440 known if you ask people themselves they 193 00:09:06,430 --> 00:09:05,000 might not report on something but if you 194 00:09:08,650 --> 00:09:06,440 ask them to report on their friends are 195 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:08,660 asking the important somebody else one 196 00:09:14,290 --> 00:09:12,050 of my students mother's is a flight 197 00:09:16,510 --> 00:09:14,300 attendant and as the New England 198 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:16,520 Patriots fly one place or another place 199 00:09:22,710 --> 00:09:20,510 which is this particular athlete I won't 200 00:09:26,110 --> 00:09:22,720 say who it is because it's still playing 201 00:09:28,690 --> 00:09:26,120 will always have to sit in this same 202 00:09:31,060 --> 00:09:28,700 place and always have to do this always 203 00:09:33,010 --> 00:09:31,070 have to this and to her it was very 204 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:33,020 clear that this is superstitious 205 00:09:39,550 --> 00:09:37,370 behavior if you ask him and in fact 206 00:09:42,449 --> 00:09:39,560 that's one of more intriguing things to 207 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:42,459 me is that there is this 208 00:09:46,569 --> 00:09:44,690 there's a fine line or where there's no 209 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:46,579 line at all some of the superstitious 210 00:09:51,220 --> 00:09:48,410 behaviors or behaviors that were at 211 00:09:56,499 --> 00:09:51,230 least initially superstitious can start 212 00:09:59,170 --> 00:09:56,509 to act as a warm-up routine as a means 213 00:10:01,420 --> 00:09:59,180 of focusing as a behaviors we call the 214 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:01,430 discriminative stimulus for appropriate 215 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:03,889 behavior in that circumstance so again a 216 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:06,889 warm-up routine for a foul shot might be 217 00:10:14,910 --> 00:10:09,889 exactly what you need to get into the 218 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:14,920 pattern that is associated with success 219 00:10:20,050 --> 00:10:18,410 take an extreme example athletes 220 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:20,060 competing in the biathlon whether 221 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:22,480 cross-country skiing and then shooting 222 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:26,089 they have to go from an extreme state a 223 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:28,610 physiological arousal is this very much 224 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:31,120 fight-or-flight sympathetic response 225 00:10:39,009 --> 00:10:36,230 very run run run 100 to as low a pulse 226 00:10:42,069 --> 00:10:39,019 as they possibly can to be able to aim 227 00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:42,079 and successfully shun their penalized 228 00:10:46,210 --> 00:10:44,000 tremendously if they miss a shot came to 229 00:10:47,829 --> 00:10:46,220 ski some more it used to be they would 230 00:10:51,579 --> 00:10:47,839 pull into the place where the guys 231 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:51,589 should never have and do horribly well 232 00:10:56,319 --> 00:10:53,360 now they're teaching themselves through 233 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:56,329 classical conditioning to give a 234 00:10:59,889 --> 00:10:58,490 particular mantra or a particular thing 235 00:11:02,980 --> 00:10:59,899 holding the gun in their hand for 236 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:02,990 instance associate that with say 237 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:07,130 meditation so if you for weeks months 238 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:10,490 years even meditate with your rifle in 239 00:11:17,019 --> 00:11:13,910 your hand that becomes as a conditioned 240 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:17,029 stimulus for the conditioned response of 241 00:11:22,809 --> 00:11:20,089 relaxation and so you can see their 242 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:22,819 pulse rate to get the gun out and it 243 00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:25,490 just dropped precipitously and so 244 00:11:32,769 --> 00:11:29,240 something like that with a pre val shot 245 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:32,779 routine a superstitious routine before 246 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:35,410 you step up to the batter's box 247 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:39,730 anything a routine before a penalty kick 248 00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:45,250 in soccer or anything can be a routine 249 00:11:51,119 --> 00:11:48,089 that is getting them into the correct 250 00:11:53,970 --> 00:11:51,129 physical and mental if you will place 251 00:11:57,210 --> 00:11:53,980 for doing that mu teen the trick on this 252 00:12:00,329 --> 00:11:57,220 is when is it superstition and therefore 253 00:12:06,420 --> 00:12:00,339 and by definition not connected and what 254 00:12:10,439 --> 00:12:06,430 is it routine and some friends and karen 255 00:12:12,119 --> 00:12:10,449 pryor works with ethics and for her that 256 00:12:14,429 --> 00:12:12,129 she will try to develop routine so it's 257 00:12:16,530 --> 00:12:14,439 not a team that you can always be in 258 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:16,540 control of what happens if this ball 259 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:18,910 player can't get that seat yeah what 260 00:12:24,059 --> 00:12:21,850 happens if we box can't get chicken what 261 00:12:26,369 --> 00:12:24,069 happened the other was the stewart vice 262 00:12:29,189 --> 00:12:26,379 has a book on superstitions wonderful 263 00:12:31,050 --> 00:12:29,199 book and i can't recall thought my head 264 00:12:35,460 --> 00:12:31,060 which athlete it is but had a lucky dime 265 00:12:39,179 --> 00:12:35,470 in his locker well a teammate just the 266 00:12:41,220 --> 00:12:39,189 fund moved it and I stole it there was a 267 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:41,230 fight in a locker room the game was 268 00:12:47,009 --> 00:12:44,410 delayed now if there was simply a 269 00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:47,019 warm-up routine he's completely control 270 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:49,600 that you can't take that away from but 271 00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:51,610 if somebody knows that you are 272 00:12:57,010 --> 00:12:54,160 vulnerable to the superstition and can 273 00:12:59,830 --> 00:12:57,020 mess around with it it is me 274 00:13:01,870 --> 00:12:59,840 exactly yeah that's that's where it can 275 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:01,880 be something that that could really come 276 00:13:20,170 --> 00:13:18,470 back and hurt me happy astronomy cast it 277 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:20,180 takes a fact space journey through the 278 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:22,310 cosmos as it offers listeners weekly 279 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:24,290 discussions on astronomical topics 280 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:27,650 ranging from planets to cosmology hosted 281 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:29,690 by Fraser Cain of Universe Today and 282 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:31,970 myself dr. Pamela gave southern illinois 283 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:34,490 university edwardsville this show brings 284 00:13:38,980 --> 00:13:36,530 the questions of an avid astronomy lover 285 00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:38,990 directly to an astronomer together 286 00:13:42,610 --> 00:13:41,060 Fraser and I explore what is known and 287 00:13:45,370 --> 00:13:42,620 being discovered about the universe 288 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:45,380 around us join us each week as we take a 289 00:14:01,330 --> 00:13:47,450 fax space journey through the cosmos at 290 00:14:09,499 --> 00:14:01,340 astronomy cast calm let's all take this 291 00:14:13,379 --> 00:14:11,910 the Wailing Wall is a remnant of the 292 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:13,389 wall that surrounded the site of the 293 00:14:18,809 --> 00:14:16,180 Second Temple in Jerusalem that temple 294 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:18,819 was destroyed in the year 70 AD but the 295 00:14:22,410 --> 00:14:20,050 western part of the wall remained 296 00:14:24,119 --> 00:14:22,420 relatively intact over the ensuing 297 00:14:25,679 --> 00:14:24,129 centuries additional construction 298 00:14:27,629 --> 00:14:25,689 roughly doubled the height of the wall 299 00:14:29,460 --> 00:14:27,639 but the bottom half is still the 300 00:14:32,850 --> 00:14:29,470 original built by Herod around that then 301 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:32,860 intact temple for religious Jews the 302 00:14:35,850 --> 00:14:34,300 wall is a symbol of the connection 303 00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:35,860 between the Jewish people in Jerusalem 304 00:14:40,050 --> 00:14:37,870 and a direct link to the destroyed 305 00:14:41,939 --> 00:14:40,060 temple and this has led to having 306 00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:41,949 religious meaning despite its mundane 307 00:14:46,740 --> 00:14:44,740 start a number of traditions have 308 00:14:48,509 --> 00:14:46,750 developed around the wall with the most 309 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:48,519 famous one being sticking of notes 310 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,500 asking for this or that in the crevices 311 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:52,720 between the huge stone bricks in the 312 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:54,310 hope that God is closer there than 313 00:14:59,550 --> 00:14:56,500 anywhere else it might read the note I 314 00:15:02,160 --> 00:14:59,560 to as a child inserted such a note and 315 00:15:04,439 --> 00:15:02,170 put my head against the wall not being a 316 00:15:06,749 --> 00:15:04,449 beauty pageant contestant I simply asked 317 00:15:09,119 --> 00:15:06,759 for peace as I wasn't aware that there 318 00:15:12,569 --> 00:15:09,129 were wars elsewhere and that what was 319 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:12,579 really needed was world peace the Jewish 320 00:15:16,110 --> 00:15:13,870 obsession with the world may be 321 00:15:17,790 --> 00:15:16,120 understandable but when Barack Obama 322 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:17,800 visited Israel during his campaign for 323 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:20,470 the presidency of the USA he also went 324 00:15:25,319 --> 00:15:22,810 to the wall he duly put on a skullcap 325 00:15:28,259 --> 00:15:25,329 wrote a note and pushed it into a crack 326 00:15:30,210 --> 00:15:28,269 in one of the bricks now i know mr. 327 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:30,220 obama professes to be a religious man 328 00:15:34,110 --> 00:15:32,800 but there are two problems here one is 329 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:34,120 that the wall is only a religious 330 00:15:38,699 --> 00:15:36,490 artifact because the temple was built to 331 00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,709 protect was destroyed so any religious 332 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:40,480 attributions or rituals around it are 333 00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:42,730 not really part of Judaism except in a 334 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:44,829 cultural sense you might say it is 335 00:15:49,439 --> 00:15:47,470 pseudo religious and the second is that 336 00:15:52,049 --> 00:15:49,449 Barack Obama according to all available 337 00:15:53,939 --> 00:15:52,059 references is not Jewish so in going to 338 00:15:55,679 --> 00:15:53,949 the wall and sticking a note in it it 339 00:15:57,809 --> 00:15:55,689 was pandering to his hosts religious 340 00:16:01,530 --> 00:15:57,819 superstition rather than presenting his 341 00:16:02,999 --> 00:16:01,540 own I pick the Wailing Wall story 342 00:16:03,889 --> 00:16:03,009 because I grew up in Israel so I'm 343 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:03,899 familiar with this particular 344 00:16:08,579 --> 00:16:06,160 supposition and how visitors to Israel 345 00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:08,589 adopted but there are examples of such 346 00:16:12,540 --> 00:16:11,199 behavior in all religions of course more 347 00:16:14,730 --> 00:16:12,550 common and then adopting religious 348 00:16:16,499 --> 00:16:14,740 behaviors is tolerance of religious 349 00:16:18,749 --> 00:16:16,509 superstition simply because it is 350 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:18,759 religious some cases are not 351 00:16:22,140 --> 00:16:19,270 particularly 352 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:22,150 harmful for example world leaders sent 353 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:24,160 Australians affected by the recent bush 354 00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:25,810 fires in Victoria their wishes and 355 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:28,480 prayers I suspect most people including 356 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:30,700 atheists like me would accept that the 357 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:32,530 intention here is to convey respect and 358 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:34,810 show concern while I would prefer to 359 00:16:39,660 --> 00:16:36,190 hear them send their sympathies and 360 00:16:41,610 --> 00:16:39,670 perhaps our money no harm was done the 361 00:16:43,830 --> 00:16:41,620 interesting point is that it is easy for 362 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:43,840 Australians religious and secular alike 363 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:46,630 to accept this because an identifiably 364 00:16:50,610 --> 00:16:48,330 religious superstition is on hand 365 00:16:52,650 --> 00:16:50,620 imagine that a world leader had chosen 366 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:52,660 to inform us that his personal which had 367 00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:54,310 been instructed to cast spells that 368 00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:56,740 would stop the fires or who sent advice 369 00:17:01,710 --> 00:16:58,810 to the Australians to paint their faces 370 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:01,720 white toward off the fire spirits such 371 00:17:05,670 --> 00:17:03,490 messages despite being of a similar 372 00:17:07,980 --> 00:17:05,680 level of practical use and probably much 373 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:07,990 more sincerity would have met widespread 374 00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:11,140 scorn a yet more insidious form of 375 00:17:14,550 --> 00:17:12,880 pandering to religious superstition is 376 00:17:16,740 --> 00:17:14,560 the acceptance in many parts of the 377 00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:16,750 world of the right of parents to prevent 378 00:17:20,490 --> 00:17:18,339 medical treatment of their children in 379 00:17:22,170 --> 00:17:20,500 the name of religion Christian 380 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:22,180 Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses are 381 00:17:26,670 --> 00:17:24,010 notorious in that respect but they are 382 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:26,680 not alone it is estimated that about 50 383 00:17:30,060 --> 00:17:28,390 children die in the United States every 384 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:30,070 year because their parents be fair to 385 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:32,050 pray for them rather than seek medical 386 00:17:36,030 --> 00:17:34,720 attention I'm sure our listeners would 387 00:17:37,770 --> 00:17:36,040 be pleased to know that the law in 388 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:37,780 Australia does not allow this level of 389 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:39,850 freedom to parents as the right of the 390 00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:41,730 child predominates the right of parents 391 00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:44,260 this is also true in many if not most 392 00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,960 European countries another form of 393 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:48,400 pandering to religion is being 394 00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:49,960 particularly forgiving of the acts 395 00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:51,660 performed in the name of religion 396 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:54,310 despite diplomatic protocol political 397 00:17:57,780 --> 00:17:55,870 leaders are usually quick to criticize a 398 00:18:00,240 --> 00:17:57,790 foreign leader who has done something 399 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:00,250 wrong in their eyes note for example the 400 00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,930 comments made by European leaders last 401 00:18:06,570 --> 00:18:03,520 week about the British government's 402 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:06,580 decision to reduce the v80 many of those 403 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:08,320 same leaders would certainly hesitate 404 00:18:12,330 --> 00:18:10,090 before criticizing the Pope for his 405 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:12,340 stance on the use of condoms and most 406 00:18:17,070 --> 00:18:14,670 slightly will decide against doing so 407 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:17,080 let it be assumed that I'm either a 408 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:18,970 militant or naive atheist and that I 409 00:18:23,010 --> 00:18:20,590 think religion can be driven out of 410 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:23,020 existence I would like to clarify that 411 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:25,390 none of the above apply to me it would 412 00:18:28,860 --> 00:18:27,310 surely be nice if all people rational 413 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:28,870 enough to realize that the probability 414 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:30,730 of the existence of their favorite 415 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:32,650 invisible friend is rather low 416 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:34,450 but I suspect religion is part of the 417 00:18:39,180 --> 00:18:37,210 human condition not only do I accept it 418 00:18:40,890 --> 00:18:39,190 I do not have a particular problem with 419 00:18:43,410 --> 00:18:40,900 it as long as it is kept as a private 420 00:18:45,780 --> 00:18:43,420 affair but religion often cannot be a 421 00:18:47,910 --> 00:18:45,790 private affair as in the example I gave 422 00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:47,920 above it affects some parents decisions 423 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,510 with regards to medical treatment for 424 00:18:53,670 --> 00:18:52,000 their children in other cases and 425 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:53,680 organizations such as the Catholic 426 00:18:57,660 --> 00:18:55,810 Church which has a centrally dictated 427 00:18:59,640 --> 00:18:57,670 Dogma can affect the way Catholic 428 00:19:00,990 --> 00:18:59,650 politicians vote though there was a 429 00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:01,000 wonderful event in the New South Wales 430 00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:03,760 Parliament last year when Catholic MPs 431 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:05,380 were threatened with excommunication 432 00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:07,390 over their intention to vote for a bill 433 00:19:11,610 --> 00:19:10,060 authorizing stem cell research told the 434 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:11,620 Cardinal of Sydney what to do with these 435 00:19:17,010 --> 00:19:15,190 threats in no uncertain terms despite 436 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:17,020 the optimism that this event means still 437 00:19:20,850 --> 00:19:18,610 in those who would like to see religion 438 00:19:23,610 --> 00:19:20,860 out of the public sphere he depends on 439 00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,620 individuals doing the right thing had 440 00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,600 the MPS in that case decided to change 441 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:27,280 their vote due to the pressure of their 442 00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,530 religious group I believe that very few 443 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,120 people would have seen it as betrayal of 444 00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:33,760 the public interest most probably it 445 00:19:37,470 --> 00:19:35,590 would have been seen as them exercising 446 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:37,480 their moral judgment and the fact that 447 00:19:41,670 --> 00:19:39,850 their moral judgment was dictated by an 448 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:41,680 unelected person would have been 449 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:43,810 forgotten such is the nature of 450 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:46,290 society's relationship with religion 451 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:48,670 perhaps the most incredible aspect of 452 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:50,110 pandering to religious belief in the 453 00:19:54,180 --> 00:19:52,330 public sphere is that people tend to be 454 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:54,190 linear as towards any and all religions 455 00:19:57,870 --> 00:19:56,200 ignoring the fact that they generally 456 00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:57,880 contradict each other to such an extent 457 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:00,400 that wars were an hour fought over who 458 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:02,410 is right and it wouldn't be such a 459 00:20:07,050 --> 00:20:04,650 stretch to assume that they're all wrong 460 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:07,060 they must definitely can't be shown to 461 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:09,730 be right while it is quite all right for 462 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,220 people to be wrong on any matter 463 00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:13,360 allowing religions to occupy a 464 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:14,950 privileged place in the public sphere 465 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:17,260 under such circumstances cannot be 466 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:30,080 our foreign correspondent for the 467 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:32,490 skeptic zone dr. Karen stalls know who's 468 00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:35,570 been based in the Bay Area in California 469 00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:38,760 has come back to us she's come back to 470 00:20:42,409 --> 00:20:40,740 take over the editorship of the skeptic 471 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:42,419 magazine and to become the executive 472 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,320 officer of Australian skeptics we are so 473 00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:48,480 pleased that she's back and I caught up 474 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:52,559 with her just the other day well Karen 475 00:20:55,940 --> 00:20:54,510 welcome back to Australia think he 476 00:20:58,370 --> 00:20:55,950 Richard I'm very pleased to be back 477 00:21:00,680 --> 00:20:58,380 what's it like being back I mean you 478 00:21:03,260 --> 00:21:00,690 lived in the bay area for what four or 479 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,270 five years even longer for almost five 480 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:05,280 years so i guess some you said to me 481 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:06,570 actually when I left that the the real 482 00:21:09,770 --> 00:21:08,610 culture shock would be on coming home so 483 00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:09,780 that's what I'm undergoing at the moment 484 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:11,580 of it a culture shock things are still 485 00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:13,110 difference and things have changed and 486 00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,960 so I'm reassimilate again p society 487 00:21:20,510 --> 00:21:17,280 sounds like something the Borg you used 488 00:21:23,299 --> 00:21:20,520 to do yes it's an anthropological term 489 00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:23,309 alright see that's very exciting to have 490 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:25,380 you back i'm really pleased and of 491 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:28,410 course you're taking over the editorship 492 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:31,890 of the skeptic magazine yes it's been 493 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:33,630 monopolized by Barry for the past 20 494 00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:36,510 years so he's given me some big shoes to 495 00:21:41,299 --> 00:21:39,720 fill uh yeah but I've been working with 496 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,309 him as associate editor for a couple of 497 00:21:45,740 --> 00:21:43,440 years now so I have some understanding 498 00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,750 of the role now you're going to be so 499 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:47,520 busy I know this from firsthand because 500 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:49,380 you and I today happen to be working on 501 00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:50,970 many skeptical things especially the 502 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:53,400 magazine but I hope you'll still have 503 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:55,049 time to be a reporter for the skeptic 504 00:22:00,289 --> 00:21:57,570 zone ah that's my priority Richard oh 505 00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:00,299 I'm glad I'm certainly glad to hear that 506 00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:02,520 and what can people look forward to in 507 00:22:09,470 --> 00:22:07,020 the next issue of the skeptic oh we have 508 00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:09,480 so many we've got new columns we've got 509 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:13,500 sir I've just a lot of new elements to 510 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:14,970 the magazine it's going to be very sexy 511 00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:16,770 and sleek and I think everyone's really 512 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:17,940 going to enjoy it it's gonna be a bit 513 00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:19,650 different to what people are familiar 514 00:22:24,049 --> 00:22:21,780 with well it's time for a change I'm in 515 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:24,059 a new editor it's a new age you know 516 00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,330 wash my mouth out with it new age so be 517 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:29,220 using that term a new age for skepticism 518 00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:31,290 it's a new age for skepticism let's put 519 00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:33,240 it that way thank you you said getting 520 00:22:36,919 --> 00:22:35,700 out of that situation that is it now 521 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:36,929 it's very exciting to work on this 522 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:38,100 magazine with you I'm thrill 523 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:39,510 the bits doing it there's lots of 524 00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:42,570 interesting new columns news from abroad 525 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:44,820 news about Australia that's right yeah 526 00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:46,110 and I'm very happy to be working with 527 00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:48,360 you I think we make a good team we do we 528 00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:51,419 do and how can people are subscribe to 529 00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:53,820 the new look sleek skeptic magazine well 530 00:23:00,200 --> 00:22:57,539 they can go to our website which is WWF 531 00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,210 disco may you and you can subscribe 532 00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,400 there there's a link to our magazine 533 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:05,039 from the homepage excellent Karen it's 534 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:06,570 such a pleasure to have you back in the 535 00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:09,090 country I look forward to working with 536 00:23:13,399 --> 00:23:10,980 you on the magazine and skeptics in 537 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:13,409 general and of course more skeptics own 538 00:23:33,790 --> 00:23:30,880 hi I'm Alice 88 host of the new bi 539 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:33,800 weekly podcast the pseudo-scientists the 540 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:35,690 official podcast of the young Australian 541 00:23:40,660 --> 00:23:37,910 skeptics John Elliott burch daily 542 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:40,670 breeders Jason ball Jack Scanlon k rush 543 00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,010 and myself to hear what our generation 544 00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,200 have to say about quackery science and 545 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:47,840 the issues they concern us subscribe to 546 00:23:55,870 --> 00:23:50,420 our podcast located at young as skeptics 547 00:23:58,510 --> 00:23:55,880 calm you're listening to the skeptic 548 00:24:05,530 --> 00:23:58,520 zone I'm Brian Dunning from sceptile 549 00:24:11,980 --> 00:24:05,540 calm now it's time for dr. Rachel 550 00:24:13,690 --> 00:24:11,990 reports with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello 551 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:13,700 everyone and welcome to dr. Rachel 552 00:24:19,390 --> 00:24:16,730 reports this past week Australia 553 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:19,400 experienced its worst peacetime disaster 554 00:24:24,060 --> 00:24:22,010 in the country's history as I speak to 555 00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:24,070 you the official total for victims is 556 00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:27,470 181 however police fear the death toll 557 00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,780 could reach as high as 300 since they 558 00:24:35,410 --> 00:24:32,720 have yet to enter some areas many people 559 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:35,420 are still classified as missing as a 560 00:24:38,860 --> 00:24:37,370 country in morning we have been warned 561 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:38,870 to brace for the death toll to rise 562 00:24:44,290 --> 00:24:42,170 steeply times such as this it has been 563 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:44,300 said bring out the worst and the best in 564 00:24:48,550 --> 00:24:46,970 people in amongst the incredible stories 565 00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,560 of courage and survival there will 566 00:24:52,690 --> 00:24:50,720 always be the opportunists such as the 567 00:24:56,050 --> 00:24:52,700 despicable looters who are apparently 568 00:24:58,900 --> 00:24:56,060 lurking and others such as pastor danny 569 00:25:01,180 --> 00:24:58,910 no Leah the leader of the catch the fire 570 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:01,190 ministries has attributed the tragedy to 571 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:03,730 divine retribution for an abortion 572 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:05,660 decriminalization bill that passed in 573 00:25:12,550 --> 00:25:09,710 Victoria in 2008 nilaya calls Victoria 574 00:25:15,130 --> 00:25:12,560 and I quote the baby killing state of 575 00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:15,140 Australia I won't discuss this further 576 00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:18,470 except to say disgraceful reprehensible 577 00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:21,320 and completely inappropriate and then 578 00:25:26,980 --> 00:25:24,830 there is this quote in the light of 579 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:26,990 recent events in Bali and the bushfires 580 00:25:30,550 --> 00:25:28,510 in the eastern states of Australia 581 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:30,560 information about the use of homeopathy 582 00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,110 by the ordinary person is knowledge that 583 00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:35,600 should be shared this gem of information 584 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:37,280 appeared on a website selling 585 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,770 homeopathic remedies which then goes on 586 00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:41,520 to describe in great detail 587 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:43,230 how homeopathy can be used to treat 588 00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:46,050 burns but before I share with you some 589 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:47,940 of the wisdom provided by this website 590 00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,010 let me convey to you the sheer enormity 591 00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:52,980 of the situation facing hospitals and 592 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:55,620 especially the burns unit at the Alfred 593 00:26:00,410 --> 00:25:58,410 Hospital in Melbourne dr. de Villiers 594 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:00,420 smit is an emergency physician at the 595 00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:02,250 Alfred who worked on the bali bombings 596 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:05,430 and the current bushfires dr. de smit 597 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:08,250 told reporters these fires were by far 598 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,410 one of the worst disasters I had ever 599 00:26:15,290 --> 00:26:13,200 been involved in the Alfred hospital 600 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:15,300 recently opened a new specialist burns 601 00:26:20,150 --> 00:26:16,890 unit staffed by some of the best 602 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:20,160 practitioners in Australia the head of 603 00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:22,290 the Alfred burns unit Heather Cleland 604 00:26:25,790 --> 00:26:24,150 said the classic burn patterns that 605 00:26:27,860 --> 00:26:25,800 we're seeing are mostly due to people 606 00:26:30,770 --> 00:26:27,870 who've been forced to run through flames 607 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:30,780 or have been exposed to extremely high 608 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:34,500 radiant heat temperatures and so most 609 00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,690 patients have very significant feet and 610 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:38,880 hand burns as well as involving their 611 00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:41,850 arms and lower legs especially all of 612 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:43,470 the bush fire victims at the hospital 613 00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:45,000 have burns to more than thirty percent 614 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:47,460 of their body many have burns to their 615 00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:49,770 feet and hands inflicted as they ran or 616 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:52,950 crawl through fire to escape some also 617 00:26:57,020 --> 00:26:54,690 have burn Airways from smoke inhalation 618 00:27:00,370 --> 00:26:57,030 and some may have to have limbs 619 00:27:03,050 --> 00:27:00,380 amputated Heather Cleland also said 620 00:27:05,030 --> 00:27:03,060 burns victims are highly sensitive to 621 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:05,040 infection and must be treated with the 622 00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:08,130 highest level of care but according to 623 00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:10,110 the homeopathy quacks you don't need a 624 00:27:14,540 --> 00:27:12,900 top-class burns facility staffed by some 625 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:14,550 of the best burn specialists in the 626 00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:18,450 world you can just use homeopathy here's 627 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:21,060 what one website recommends for very 628 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:24,570 severe burns cantharis or the spanish 629 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:27,570 fly used when there is violent acute 630 00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:29,370 inflammation and there may be severe 631 00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:32,190 delirium when there is rapid progressive 632 00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:33,990 destruction of tissue and the pains are 633 00:27:39,170 --> 00:27:37,080 cutting smarting burning and biting when 634 00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:39,180 there is also severe kidney involvement 635 00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:41,280 with burning and scolding on the passing 636 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:43,710 of urine there can be violent burning 637 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:45,510 pain through the whole intestinal tract 638 00:27:50,050 --> 00:27:47,850 there will be a tendency to gangrene 639 00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:50,060 with the destruction of the tissue 640 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:53,100 external application of cancerous one 641 00:27:57,420 --> 00:27:55,330 times in half a liter of water 642 00:28:00,090 --> 00:27:57,430 may also be sprayed on the affected site 643 00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:00,100 for pain relief now cancerous is more 644 00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,620 commonly known as spanish fly which is 645 00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:04,720 actually a beetle that produces an 646 00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:06,820 irritant so caustic that it makes the 647 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:09,880 skin blister if exposed to it whatever 648 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:12,130 Spanish Fly does as an intact beetle is 649 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:14,470 irrelevant in this case since common 650 00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:18,310 preparations of cancerous are 6c now in 651 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:20,590 homeopathy terms this means the original 652 00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:23,050 concentrated solution has been diluted 653 00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:26,190 100 times repeated six times over and 654 00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:29,380 this translates to a dilution of 10 to 655 00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:32,640 the power of 12 or one trillion times 656 00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:35,680 the end result being indistinguishable 657 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:37,750 from water or whatever else it was 658 00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:41,170 diluted into so I'm sorry to bore you 659 00:28:44,670 --> 00:28:43,030 but let's take a look at the scientific 660 00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:44,680 evidence for the efficacy of a 661 00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:47,820 homeopathic preparation of cancerous in 662 00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:50,590 a study published in the archives of 663 00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:53,500 emergency medicine the analgesic action 664 00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:56,020 that is the capacity to relieve pain of 665 00:29:01,320 --> 00:28:59,050 the homeopathic preparation cancerous in 666 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:01,330 the treatment of minor burns and I 667 00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:04,690 emphasize minor burns here was assessed 668 00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:07,720 in a series of 34 patients under 669 00:29:11,850 --> 00:29:10,180 double-blind conditions no statistically 670 00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:11,860 significant difference was found between 671 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:15,670 cancerous and a placebo which is because 672 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:19,510 it is placebo probably water in fact I'm 673 00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,340 certain that the great skill and care 674 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:23,200 currently being provided to the victims 675 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:25,330 of the worst peacetime disaster in 676 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:27,490 Australia's history does not include 677 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:30,070 spraying water on third degree burns in 678 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:32,680 my opinion this is an insult to the 679 00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,210 skills of the surgeons and doctors 680 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:36,960 working tirelessly across the country 681 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:39,310 testament to this nonsense comes from 682 00:29:45,270 --> 00:29:41,290 one website spruiking the benefits of 683 00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:45,280 cancerous quote please remember though 684 00:29:50,610 --> 00:29:47,920 this homeopathy materia medica is 685 00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,620 provided for information only with no 686 00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:53,440 guarantee of accuracy it is not intended 687 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:55,960 as a substitute for medical advice nor 688 00:29:59,880 --> 00:29:57,610 as a claim for the effectiveness of 689 00:30:02,760 --> 00:29:59,890 cantharis in treating any of the 690 00:30:04,290 --> 00:30:02,770 described symptoms our thoughts are with 691 00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:04,300 the families and victims of the 692 00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:07,180 victorian bushfires you can assist by 693 00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:08,920 donating to the Red Cross at 694 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:12,220 redcross.org a you and if you are in 695 00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:14,710 Australia you can also donate urgently 696 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:16,630 needed blood for the burns victims by 697 00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:19,690 also contacting the Red Cross this has 698 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:33,040 been dr. Rachel course hello my name is 699 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:35,050 Mike wawa and welcome to the roundup 700 00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:36,730 where I share news and views of all 701 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:38,860 interest skeptics humanists secularists 702 00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:40,390 and followers of the flying spaghetti 703 00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:43,270 monster in my last segment i mentioned 704 00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:45,040 that Nancy Cartwright who provides the 705 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:47,260 voice of bard in the Simpsons recorded a 706 00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:48,730 phone message to promote the nefarious 707 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:51,790 Church of Scientology Simpsons executive 708 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:53,950 producer al gene said the show didn't 709 00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,290 authorize Cartwright's message and usage 710 00:31:00,960 --> 00:30:59,200 of the bart simpson voice gene said that 711 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:00,970 it has never endorsed any religion 712 00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:03,430 philosophy or system of beliefs any more 713 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:06,160 profound than Butterfinger bars the Fox 714 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:09,010 Network told CNN it had no comment on 715 00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:12,610 any action it is taking a woman 716 00:31:16,350 --> 00:31:14,260 suspected of recruiting more than 80 717 00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:16,360 female suicide bombers has confessed 718 00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:18,790 organizing their rapes so she could 719 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:20,470 later convince them that martyrdom was 720 00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:23,110 the only way to escape the shame samee 721 00:31:27,570 --> 00:31:25,540 roger sim 51 was arrested by iraqi 722 00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:27,580 police and confessed to recruiting the 723 00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:29,380 women and orchestrating dozens of 724 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:31,870 attacks in a video confession she 725 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:33,610 explained how she mentally prepared the 726 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:36,190 women for martyrdom operations pass him 727 00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:38,170 on to terrorists who provided explosives 728 00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:39,940 and then took the Bombers to their 729 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:42,760 targets Samira do sim was arrested on 730 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:44,890 the twenty first of January she is 731 00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:47,130 allegedly linked to an al-qaeda group 732 00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,750 two of the attacks for which samira to 733 00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:51,760 sim admitted responsibility in the video 734 00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:54,280 confession took place in central Iraq 735 00:31:59,250 --> 00:31:56,020 which is considered one of the most 736 00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,260 dangerous areas of the country the US 737 00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:01,600 military says there were 32 female 738 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:03,790 suicide bomb attacks in Iraq last year 739 00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:07,510 up from eight in 2007 women are often 740 00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:09,430 allowed through military checkpoints 741 00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:11,830 without being searched culturally it is 742 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:13,960 forbidden for mouth security forces to 743 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:16,210 search women making it easier for them 744 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:17,680 to hide explosives under their 745 00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:19,930 traditional robes the Iraqi government 746 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:22,360 has responded this threat by training 747 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:22,809 more 748 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:36,900 a South Korean cult leader who told 749 00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,010 followers to have sex with him to purge 750 00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:41,200 their sins was jail for 10 years this 751 00:32:46,650 --> 00:32:44,230 week yun yeongsuk whose JMS group stands 752 00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,660 for both jesus morning star and his 753 00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:48,880 initials was convicted of raping or 754 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:50,670 sexually assaulting for women between 755 00:32:57,450 --> 00:32:54,970 2001 and 2006 the accused committed 756 00:32:59,880 --> 00:32:57,460 serious wrongdoing by taking advantage 757 00:33:01,860 --> 00:32:59,890 of his status as a religious leader the 758 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:01,870 court said in a statement adding the 759 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:04,930 victims were hurt severely young who is 760 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:07,290 in his early 60s fled south korea in 761 00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:10,570 1999 one day after rape allegations 762 00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:12,100 against him were broadcast on national 763 00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:14,920 television he was formally charged with 764 00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:18,880 rape in 2001 he was arrested in hong 765 00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:22,390 kong in 2003 for visa violations but 766 00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:25,480 later fled and extradition hearing china 767 00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:27,790 extradited him to Seoul in February last 768 00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:31,780 year ex cult members mostly very young 769 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:33,700 girls have told police they were 770 00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:35,710 instructed to undress the health checks 771 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:38,200 and have sex with young to get rid of 772 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:40,810 their sins the girl said they were 773 00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:43,240 threatened with spiritual death if they 774 00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:47,080 spoke of what happened you informed JMS 775 00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:49,960 in the early 1980s calling himself a 776 00:33:54,540 --> 00:33:51,990 messiah who can lead people to salvation 777 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:54,550 Jung believes he has come to finish the 778 00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:56,650 incomplete message and mission of Jesus 779 00:34:02,520 --> 00:33:58,930 Christ asserting that he has the 780 00:34:04,650 --> 00:34:02,530 responsibility to save all mankind it is 781 00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:04,660 unclear how many followers remain in 782 00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,820 hello I'm dr. Karen stalls know from the 783 00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:20,320 Skip blog and bad language I'm 784 00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:23,470 also editor of the skeptic magazine the 785 00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:25,060 skeptic is an almost 30 year old 786 00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,580 magazine about skepticism science and 787 00:34:32,849 --> 00:34:30,639 society we feature skeptical articles 788 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:32,859 about a broad range of paranormal occult 789 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:35,470 and supernatural topics including ghosts 790 00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:40,330 astrology psychics UFOs and cults we 791 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:42,460 talk the skeptical talk but also walk 792 00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:45,129 the skeptical walk the skeptic road test 793 00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:47,500 pseudoscience investigates bizarre 794 00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:49,300 beliefs and practices like fire walking 795 00:34:53,579 --> 00:34:52,030 and divining you'll recognize a few 796 00:34:56,430 --> 00:34:53,589 faces from the skeptic zone too 797 00:34:59,220 --> 00:34:56,440 including Richard Saunders dr. Rachel 798 00:35:01,980 --> 00:34:59,230 Dunlop Michael Willa hen Kylie Sturgis 799 00:35:05,339 --> 00:35:01,990 and me we're always looking for new 800 00:35:08,849 --> 00:35:05,349 contributors and new readers visit the 801 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:08,859 link on our website at wwc optics com a 802 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:10,690 you where you can check out some 803 00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,570 articles and subscribe and look out for 804 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:15,280 the skeptic in newsstands and bookstores 805 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:24,020 join us now for drinking skeptically in 806 00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,510 the think tank and i'd like to welcome 807 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:35,640 everybody to the think tank once again 808 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:37,410 we'll start off with our special guest 809 00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:38,850 who just keep turning up no matter what 810 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:40,590 we do to hide Dave the happy singer 811 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:42,450 hello everybody you keep inviting me 812 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:45,450 that's the trouble Tiffany day how are 813 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:47,910 you good how you I'm very well today and 814 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:49,950 of course dr. Rachel Dunlop hello 815 00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,690 Richard I thought we'd change clubs to 816 00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,400 keep away from happy singer does he 817 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:55,800 follow us up yes you should get rid of 818 00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:58,170 him is my camera 15 oh we love you Dave 819 00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:00,540 hello hello I love you too it's been 820 00:36:04,850 --> 00:36:02,580 what are two weeks it's been since our 821 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:04,860 last think tank Wow Rachel why did you 822 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:06,570 jump straight in with that interesting 823 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:09,690 story yes with the Ben Goldacre oh yeah 824 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:12,810 man its story okay this exploded late 825 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:15,810 last week and basically it started with 826 00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,770 been posting an excerpt of a broadcaster 827 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,400 on a radio station in the UK called lbc 828 00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:25,200 she did a three-hour talkback show of 829 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:28,800 which one of Ben's readers sent him 44 830 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:32,610 minutes of her carrying on and his 831 00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,930 diatribe about MMR and autism yeah and a 832 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:38,820 whole lot of absolutely don't trust 833 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:41,970 doctors don't trust doctors homeopaths 834 00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,330 know more about vaccines vaccinations 835 00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,480 cause autism the common Cole if you've 836 00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:50,160 had the flu vaccine why do you get the 837 00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:52,550 common cold really obvious quite 838 00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:55,820 blindingly stupid misunderstandings and 839 00:37:02,370 --> 00:36:58,960 representations of science and medicine 840 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:02,380 she also had a woman by the name of 841 00:37:06,359 --> 00:37:04,450 yasmin who I believe his nurse ring up 842 00:37:09,329 --> 00:37:06,369 to tell her that she was wrong and she 843 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:09,339 yelled over the top of this woman told 844 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:10,420 her she didn't know what she was talking 845 00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:12,550 about then went on to a kid she has been 846 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:14,470 on her blog jeanna bryner his blog with 847 00:37:20,609 --> 00:37:16,810 being vicious yeah which was completely 848 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:20,619 untrue anyway it was so extensive that 849 00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:22,930 the only way Ben could really expose it 850 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:24,339 or make people aware of what happened 851 00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:26,020 was to put it on bad science don't net 852 00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:28,060 which he did and then of course a few 853 00:37:32,849 --> 00:37:31,420 hours later he had was notified by lbc 854 00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:32,859 as lawyers that they were going to take 855 00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:35,640 legal action because of copyright 856 00:37:42,089 --> 00:37:39,369 regulations so as most of you know Ben's 857 00:37:44,010 --> 00:37:42,099 just been through the courts in fact 15 858 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:44,020 months in court with the guardian for 859 00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:47,290 the Mateus Roth case where Matias wrath 860 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:50,470 was some selling vitamins as AIDS drugs 861 00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:53,530 to South Africa so been decided he would 862 00:37:58,109 --> 00:37:56,230 just remove this piece of from audio but 863 00:38:00,060 --> 00:37:58,119 he posted a blog on bad science saying 864 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:00,070 can people help me I don't know whether 865 00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:03,220 I have gone against copyright law if you 866 00:38:08,339 --> 00:38:04,720 are a copyright lawyer can you let me 867 00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:08,349 know am I putting myself at risk and 868 00:38:11,849 --> 00:38:10,750 this is when something that some of you 869 00:38:15,089 --> 00:38:11,859 may have heard of it's called the 870 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:15,099 Streisand effect does anyone know what 871 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:17,410 that means yeah yeah that's when you 872 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:19,390 when you try and suppress information it 873 00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:22,089 just it backfire solidly yes that's 874 00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,190 exactly what it is and that's exactly 875 00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,520 what happened now once he had to remove 876 00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:29,920 this piece of audio and everyone found 877 00:38:34,349 --> 00:38:31,839 out about it of course we all decided 878 00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:34,359 bloggers and supporters have been across 879 00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:36,280 the world decided well we've got nothing 880 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:38,140 to lose we'll post it anywhere we can 881 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:41,410 yeah so you actually posted it for me on 882 00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:44,290 my YouTube young Richard kindly split it 883 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:47,020 up into five sections we all had it most 884 00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:49,030 of us but we are lots of people had it 885 00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:50,920 anyway yeah because I'm airport we 886 00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:53,020 subscribe to your podcast and and I had 887 00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:54,550 it on my upon you had it so it was all 888 00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:55,670 over the world 889 00:39:00,320 --> 00:38:58,650 sometime in the early hours of Saturday 890 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:00,330 morning Australian time about five 891 00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:02,010 brothers across the world decided that 892 00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:03,720 one way to get around the legal issues 893 00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:06,180 was to transcribe the entire 44 minutes 894 00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,750 audio Wow one of whom was cloudy Sturgis 895 00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:12,240 who runs pod black no reporter why don't 896 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:15,390 you she's our report on 09 calm that's 897 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:18,570 right public calm the Leigh scientist a 898 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:20,730 couple of other bloggers all got 899 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:22,650 together and then I got a call from 900 00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:25,410 Kylie at about two o'clock on Saturday 901 00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,750 morning Australian tire because i'm 902 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:29,280 always up at that time is now just 903 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:32,130 waiting cuz my fingers poised over my 904 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:33,930 computer ya know cuz i've been blogging 905 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:37,170 all day about it anyway we ended up 906 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:38,730 splitting the transcript up over five 907 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:40,770 blogs because that way if one of them 908 00:39:44,180 --> 00:39:42,510 gets taken down for legal reasons and 909 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:44,190 the other for is still there so that 910 00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,720 sort of covered our bases a little bit 911 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:48,180 and then a few hours later it appeared 912 00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:51,570 on wikileaks with 13 servers hosting it 913 00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:53,550 across the world and then it appeared on 914 00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:56,520 a torrent yeah yep so that was it was a 915 00:40:01,520 --> 00:39:58,980 virus it's absolutely impossible now to 916 00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:01,530 stop that absolutely so that was a 917 00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:03,270 really classic example of the Streisand 918 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:05,880 effect in action and all that really 919 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:07,410 happened for Jenny Barnett and this is 920 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:09,450 continuing to as we speak it's still 921 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:12,570 happening because um but but funnily 922 00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:14,730 enough lbc the radio station have gone 923 00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:16,830 pretty quiet I haven't heard in the last 924 00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:18,060 few days whether they are still 925 00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:19,800 continuing with legal action against Ben 926 00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:21,300 I mean he's taking it down so I guess 927 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:25,620 he's in the clear now however the blog's 928 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:28,740 now last time i did a search if you 929 00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:31,970 search for barnett goldacre on google 930 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:34,230 slowly the hits have been going up over 931 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:35,970 the last week and it's now up to about 932 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:38,250 seven thousand hits so they're sitting 933 00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:41,010 now something like 120 blogs out there 934 00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:43,350 in fact if you want the stats people go 935 00:40:46,769 --> 00:40:44,940 to bad science dotnet because been 936 00:40:49,019 --> 00:40:46,779 posted a blog today with 937 00:40:51,179 --> 00:40:49,029 all the statistics and of all the blog's 938 00:40:54,269 --> 00:40:51,189 that he knows he's compiling a list as 939 00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,279 his Halford watch if you have a look at 940 00:40:58,859 --> 00:40:56,400 Halford watch he's got a chronological 941 00:41:00,779 --> 00:40:58,869 series of events and also he's got all 942 00:41:02,549 --> 00:41:00,789 the blogs and all the links to the 943 00:41:06,779 --> 00:41:02,559 YouTube my YouTube which is read she 944 00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:06,789 said are achi es yd I'm in fact the only 945 00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:08,380 one that's got on youtube at the moment 946 00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:09,640 when you're getting a lot of hits 947 00:41:15,539 --> 00:41:13,169 unloaded you know a lot of hits yeah so 948 00:41:17,759 --> 00:41:15,549 most of the stuff that Ben's been 949 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:17,769 getting is in support of what he's done 950 00:41:23,759 --> 00:41:21,609 all he's trying to do is get this out 951 00:41:26,099 --> 00:41:23,769 there so that people can discuss it 952 00:41:28,169 --> 00:41:26,109 because it is such a hot at the public 953 00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:28,179 health issue yeah i mean the facts are 954 00:41:33,329 --> 00:41:31,839 that vaccinations for MMR in the UK has 955 00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:33,339 fallen by something like twenty five 956 00:41:38,609 --> 00:41:36,880 percent across the country and something 957 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:38,619 like fifty percent in certain parts of 958 00:41:42,779 --> 00:41:40,689 London that's so dangerous it's 959 00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:42,789 absolutely dangerous as largely thanks 960 00:41:47,459 --> 00:41:45,640 to these tix it's largely thanks to 961 00:41:50,249 --> 00:41:47,469 people like Jenni Burnett and andrew 962 00:41:52,169 --> 00:41:50,259 wakefield and you know as been talks 963 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:52,179 about a lot and also he writes about in 964 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:55,089 bad science this MMR autism link was 965 00:41:59,339 --> 00:41:57,130 never ever demonstrated I mean if you if 966 00:42:03,239 --> 00:41:59,349 you have a look at my blog skeptics book 967 00:42:05,069 --> 00:42:03,249 calm I've reproduced a retraction of the 968 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:05,079 interpretation which was published in 969 00:42:09,419 --> 00:42:07,569 2004 by a couple of the scientists that 970 00:42:11,609 --> 00:42:09,429 wrote the original were wrote on the 971 00:42:14,009 --> 00:42:11,619 original Wakefield paper saying that 972 00:42:15,689 --> 00:42:14,019 they realize that it's becoming such a 973 00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:15,699 big public health issue that they now 974 00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:19,359 need to to say unequivocally but they 975 00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:21,880 misinterpreted the results and there is 976 00:42:29,669 --> 00:42:25,630 no link between MMR and autism that was 977 00:42:31,709 --> 00:42:29,679 published in the lancet in 2004 by ten 978 00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,719 of the scientists out of 12 who wrote 979 00:42:35,539 --> 00:42:33,119 that paper 980 00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:35,549 yet there are still people like Jenni 981 00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:38,910 bonaire who say no mm our courses or to 982 00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:41,400 say and of course Wakefield is still 983 00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:43,140 causing so much damage he's moved he's 984 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:45,150 relocated to the United States now and 985 00:42:50,269 --> 00:42:47,130 he's moved into a place called 986 00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:50,279 thoughtful house and he's spruiking 987 00:42:55,999 --> 00:42:53,880 which is a sort of children's charity 988 00:42:57,289 --> 00:42:56,009 for children with learning disorders but 989 00:42:59,539 --> 00:42:57,299 where he's still stroking the line of 990 00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:59,549 MMA or he's believing his own stuff now 991 00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:01,859 and you know it's it's it's so dangerous 992 00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:04,049 but all been was trying to do was to get 993 00:43:07,009 --> 00:43:05,400 this out there so that people can 994 00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:07,019 discuss it and understand why it's wrong 995 00:43:12,019 --> 00:43:09,990 and the fact that LBC tried to suppress 996 00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,029 that has completely backfired in their 997 00:43:17,029 --> 00:43:15,119 face so a lot of people now that I've 998 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:17,039 seen on blogs in the past couple of days 999 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:19,650 are calling for her to at least make a 1000 00:43:26,259 --> 00:43:22,170 public on-air apology and a retraction 1001 00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:26,269 and if not she should be fired ya know I 1002 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:29,819 i remember when i first downloaded the 1003 00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:31,890 podcast I'm hurt and I began listening 1004 00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:34,619 to it on and after about five minutes i 1005 00:43:39,289 --> 00:43:36,150 think my headphone started to 1006 00:43:40,779 --> 00:43:39,299 disintegrate yeah i said to you we'll 1007 00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,789 listen to this we were driving somewhere 1008 00:43:45,529 --> 00:43:43,200 and i said within five or ten minutes 1009 00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,539 you'll say stop so we're driving along 1010 00:43:49,579 --> 00:43:47,400 and five or ten minutes later I hear 1011 00:43:52,249 --> 00:43:49,589 this from the backseat turn that off I 1012 00:43:54,739 --> 00:43:52,259 can't stay proceeding that turn that off 1013 00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,749 listeners were a series of expletives 1014 00:43:59,660 --> 00:43:56,460 that I can't repeat 1015 00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:59,670 yeah they got so loud and so frequent 1016 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:01,859 that I had to tell him to turn it off in 1017 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:03,930 the end but I have subsequently put 1018 00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,050 myself through the entire 44 minutes 1019 00:44:11,180 --> 00:44:09,599 rave girl if you are a bit sensitive to 1020 00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:11,190 stupidity people I recommend that you 1021 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:13,230 read the transcript instead because it 1022 00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:16,410 but I've got I've just got a quote what 1023 00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:18,150 Ben said about this he was interviewed 1024 00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:21,599 today or a couple of days ago about this 1025 00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,060 whole issue by another radio station and 1026 00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:26,640 his description of the the journey 1027 00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:29,369 Barnett broadcast was I just love this 1028 00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:31,800 it's like being smacked about the face 1029 00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:35,339 continually with a stupid stick and that 1030 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:37,230 pretty much sums up the kind of stuff 1031 00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:40,170 that was spouting out of her god yes 1032 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:42,180 speaking of being smacked around the 1033 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:45,450 head by a stupid stupid we have a 1034 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:50,130 character here in Melbourne or dandenong 1035 00:44:54,859 --> 00:44:52,170 i should say now of course I don't need 1036 00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:54,869 to tell our listeners about the dreadful 1037 00:44:59,060 --> 00:44:57,780 bushfires wildfires that have been here 1038 00:45:03,020 --> 00:44:59,070 in Australia I'm sure you're all 1039 00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:03,030 completely aware of that but it's 1040 00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:04,619 interesting on the news the police are 1041 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:06,750 looking for losers you know that a is 1042 00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:08,450 just as these grains they were saying 1043 00:45:13,339 --> 00:45:11,190 this situation brings out the best and 1044 00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:13,349 people and the worst and they're looking 1045 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:14,790 for looters which is of course a 1046 00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:16,530 horrible thing well some people have had 1047 00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:18,150 to go and forced to go back to their 1048 00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:21,420 shells and home just to protect what 1049 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:23,160 remains because apparently there are 1050 00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,930 losses going into just take whatever is 1051 00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,520 left so not only does it bring out 1052 00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:28,800 looters and Parsons and all that sort 1053 00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:31,140 thing another cockroach that has crawled 1054 00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:33,630 out from under them the fires so to 1055 00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:36,420 speak I think 1056 00:45:41,420 --> 00:45:39,510 gang of lunatics from the now what is it 1057 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:41,430 catch that's the five minutes Harry the 1058 00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:43,770 fire ministries ironically who said we 1059 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:45,630 put out this media release now remember 1060 00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:47,850 this is the worst disaster in Australian 1061 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:49,950 peacetime history the worst natural 1062 00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,290 disaster yes damn let's all the way up 1063 00:45:58,310 --> 00:45:54,960 to almost 200 people that's the last 1064 00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,320 reports here 750 houses god I think over 1065 00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:00,960 a thousand no house is going ok but in 1066 00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:03,900 any case it's a terrible the scale that 1067 00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:06,780 is just on that bad that and and of 1068 00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:09,720 course it a horrible horrible there 1069 00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:12,060 waiting to die now has asked us to be 1070 00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:14,520 burned so these characters have sent out 1071 00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:16,080 a press release just yesterday or the 1072 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:18,900 day before media release abortion laws 1073 00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:22,770 to blame for bushfires it says and they 1074 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:26,940 get state stupid stick and bear 1075 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:32,850 spokesman their leader pasta Danny Nalia 1076 00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:37,410 Nalia thank you apparently had a dream 1077 00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,200 about the bush fires last year he didn't 1078 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:42,900 yeah I did not for that yeah only 22nd 1079 00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:44,370 of October in his media release it 1080 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:47,430 refers to a post that he put out the 1081 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:48,930 start in November last year it had a 1082 00:46:55,460 --> 00:46:52,410 dream and he told 40 intercessory prayer 1083 00:46:56,780 --> 00:46:55,470 warriors who I don't know if you know 1084 00:46:59,960 --> 00:46:56,790 what an intercessory prayer warrior is 1085 00:47:01,220 --> 00:46:59,970 somebody who talks to himself he told 1086 00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:01,230 about a dream where he successfully 1087 00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:05,270 predicted bush fires in Australia mm-hmm 1088 00:47:09,830 --> 00:47:08,190 wow that's a hard thing not only I don't 1089 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:09,840 think it's that hard to do but it's it's 1090 00:47:13,850 --> 00:47:11,730 interesting to me that it's the abortion 1091 00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:13,860 law that a rat hold this time it's 1092 00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:16,020 normally as homosexuals see all the 1093 00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:18,990 secularization of society see so they'll 1094 00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:20,460 just picked one of their bugbears and 1095 00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,220 industry reason it's definitely abortion 1096 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:25,359 laws he knows that 1097 00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:28,490 yeah God said my roth is about to be 1098 00:47:32,109 --> 00:47:29,990 released upon Australia in particular 1099 00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,119 Victoria for approving the slaughter of 1100 00:47:35,710 --> 00:47:33,920 the innocent children in the womb now 1101 00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:35,720 call on my people to repent and pray 1102 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:38,300 which he did and they repented and 1103 00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:39,890 prayed no doubt and the fires came 1104 00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:44,030 anyway yes he also calls the course 1105 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:45,950 Victoria the baby killing state of 1106 00:47:51,460 --> 00:47:50,089 Australian day really yes he does it he 1107 00:47:54,130 --> 00:47:51,470 called upon all Australian 1108 00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:54,140 bible-believing god-fearing Christians 1109 00:47:59,950 --> 00:47:57,020 to repent wait on him they repented 1110 00:48:03,040 --> 00:47:59,960 already if there anyway and call upon 1111 00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,050 Lord Jesus Christ for his mercy and 1112 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:06,079 protection over Australia once again so 1113 00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:09,770 they got a question yes now first of all 1114 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:12,200 he had this dream in October you don't 1115 00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:13,530 over 1116 00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:17,580 my first comment is I January Australia 1117 00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:20,460 summer bushfires februari hottest month 1118 00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:22,950 of summer we try every every year get it 1119 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:24,630 out question yeah okay so that's not a 1120 00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:27,090 big stretch um if he knew this disaster 1121 00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:28,830 was for coming why didn't he inform 1122 00:48:34,070 --> 00:48:32,430 anybody well DD blogged about it he did 1123 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:34,080 go on it you wouldn't go to the media 1124 00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:35,730 and say this is gonna be a huge disaster 1125 00:48:39,830 --> 00:48:38,280 and the biggest disaster in peacetime 1126 00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:39,840 history well looking from the media's 1127 00:48:43,310 --> 00:48:41,460 point of view some nut from a religious 1128 00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:43,320 church comes and says I had a dream 1129 00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:47,760 about bushfires in summer my final 1130 00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:50,760 comment is he's saying that the Victoria 1131 00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:52,470 is the baby killing state of Australia 1132 00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,990 for the abortion decriminalization how 1133 00:48:59,810 --> 00:48:56,640 many children and babies died in these 1134 00:49:01,160 --> 00:48:59,820 fires let's just talk to them and so 1135 00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:01,170 he's saying that there were some 1136 00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:03,600 Christians among those two off that's 1137 00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:06,270 true there would be he's a comment is so 1138 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:11,310 insensitive and not pasa would at 1139 00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:15,210 century very inappropriate a time like 1140 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:16,740 this to be trying to make political 1141 00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:19,050 points or religious religious points 1142 00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,800 when this is this is a disaster I did 1143 00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:25,200 hear that the Premier of Victoria called 1144 00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:28,230 him offensive well is it fensive well I 1145 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:30,510 think that kind of junk it's a lovely 1146 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:32,610 older Australians expression I think 1147 00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,570 he's got a kangaroo loosen the top panic 1148 00:49:39,740 --> 00:49:37,920 which is another way of saying he had a 1149 00:49:43,310 --> 00:49:39,750 few cents sort of a dollar you know what 1150 00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:43,320 I mean it's not a shot of a picnic he 1151 00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,630 can't be quite completely sane I mean 1152 00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:48,480 just to come out like that an immediate 1153 00:49:52,850 --> 00:49:50,280 fold as well they've jumped on it it's 1154 00:49:54,350 --> 00:49:52,860 totally sensationalized well know in a 1155 00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:54,360 way it's good that they brought 1156 00:49:58,340 --> 00:49:56,760 attention to this red bag I think I 1157 00:50:01,070 --> 00:49:58,350 don't think so if you just ignore him 1158 00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:01,080 either already slightly the Westboro 1159 00:50:06,590 --> 00:50:03,150 Baptist Church will do anything in order 1160 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:06,600 to get attention for their not bad 1161 00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:07,770 things I mean they deliberately do 1162 00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:09,480 things that will get them any any 1163 00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:12,030 particular particularly notable tragedy 1164 00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:13,140 than playing 1165 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:17,080 America for supporting for being Fagin 1166 00:50:21,810 --> 00:50:19,210 able as I believe asleep Russian yeah 1167 00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:21,820 Fagin what and I got enable us tagging 1168 00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:24,580 America is a country of Fairfax and 1169 00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:26,470 enabler this according to a Westboro 1170 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:29,110 Baptist Church well there these people 1171 00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:30,910 are railing against the abortion laws in 1172 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:33,100 Victoria but as for this pastor I think 1173 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:34,690 those abortion laws should be made 1174 00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,050 retrospect whew somebody's did that 1175 00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:40,240 probably about having seven days of 1176 00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:42,310 fasting is gonna mention anything cuz 1177 00:50:48,540 --> 00:50:45,310 they're not extended you know you know 1178 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:48,550 special nature of this event all the 1179 00:50:52,290 --> 00:50:49,690 good thing is that you know all the 1180 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:52,300 Christians I know I've been turning 1181 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:53,560 against this guy's while I mean it's a 1182 00:50:57,060 --> 00:50:55,930 universal condemnation yeah every 1183 00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:57,070 quarter I've seen I've not seen a single 1184 00:51:00,600 --> 00:50:58,660 person even his own church seemed to be 1185 00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:00,610 except if you go to their press release 1186 00:51:05,310 --> 00:51:03,220 which is also a blog and therefore I 1187 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:05,320 mean you can you can host out how good 1188 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:08,170 point which I when I noticed it I went 1189 00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:11,170 straight there and I was scathing how 1190 00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,640 dare you and all the rest even lasted 1191 00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:15,040 about three minutes and dissident 1192 00:51:20,310 --> 00:51:17,640 elaboration and if you go there now it's 1193 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:20,320 pastor you're so right God's fearful 1194 00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,570 wrath has come across the room the idea 1195 00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:24,160 yeah yeah I know someone else in fact 1196 00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:26,560 the Joel Burt hi Joel he posted 1197 00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:28,049 something to the forum 1198 00:51:32,359 --> 00:51:30,119 it never appeared so anything that's 1199 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:32,369 skeptical are slightly critical just 1200 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:35,249 moderators go erase my last the last one 1201 00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:37,170 I put on there we lost a couple minutes 1202 00:51:43,459 --> 00:51:41,880 was too late you've been outed you can't 1203 00:51:46,699 --> 00:51:43,469 put this genie back in the month yeah 1204 00:51:49,189 --> 00:51:46,709 but he's Oh Danny Nelly is also saying 1205 00:51:50,359 --> 00:51:49,199 that he's helping out I mean in this 1206 00:51:52,669 --> 00:51:50,369 article here from the Sydney Morning 1207 00:51:54,019 --> 00:51:52,679 Herald he said he was helping to 1208 00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,029 coordinate fire relief including 1209 00:51:58,429 --> 00:51:55,920 providing trucks to distribute clothes 1210 00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:58,439 and food and giving his own blood but he 1211 00:52:02,660 --> 00:52:01,170 must tell the truth and when he was 1212 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:02,670 asked by the journalist who wrote this 1213 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:05,670 article Rick Fennelly if Australians 1214 00:52:10,339 --> 00:52:07,170 would regard his remarks as being an 1215 00:52:11,929 --> 00:52:10,349 appallingly bad taste he said I must 1216 00:52:13,819 --> 00:52:11,939 tell people what they need to hear not 1217 00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:13,829 what they want to hear don't tell him 1218 00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:15,660 I'll tell him something he wants to use 1219 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:18,209 as a lunatic yeah when okay were telling 1220 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:19,410 him stuff he didn't want to hear but he 1221 00:52:24,799 --> 00:52:22,650 deleted it off his blog he needs to he 1222 00:52:27,739 --> 00:52:24,809 needs to hear that yeah very sad very 1223 00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:27,749 sad situation and of course now 1224 00:52:33,049 --> 00:52:31,380 listeners are invited to go to the red 1225 00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:33,059 cross in Australia the website you can 1226 00:52:37,549 --> 00:52:35,420 certainly make donations if you care to 1227 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:37,559 which would be a very good thing to do 1228 00:52:43,729 --> 00:52:40,410 now speaking of a mission before 1229 00:52:45,949 --> 00:52:43,739 kangaroos loosen the top paddock such a 1230 00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:45,959 great expense a great expression for 1231 00:52:49,219 --> 00:52:47,369 years and years and years in Australia 1232 00:52:52,489 --> 00:52:49,229 you can buy this little device called 1233 00:52:54,739 --> 00:52:52,499 shoe Roo Roo you put it on your car and 1234 00:52:57,019 --> 00:52:54,749 when you travel it some speed it it's 1235 00:52:59,959 --> 00:52:57,029 apparently an ultrasonic device which 1236 00:53:02,179 --> 00:52:59,969 emits a nice one beam of sound which 1237 00:53:03,709 --> 00:53:02,189 scares off kangaroos so they don't jump 1238 00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:03,719 in front of your cars which can be a 1239 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:05,880 danger not only when you're traveling at 1240 00:53:09,799 --> 00:53:07,410 a certain speed apparently so yeah 1241 00:53:13,099 --> 00:53:09,809 there's like a whistle or something the 1242 00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:13,109 air vibrate however two howdy is and 1243 00:53:17,110 --> 00:53:14,740 things jumping from yours 1244 00:53:20,410 --> 00:53:17,120 but a study just released by the 1245 00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:20,420 National Road bodies here in Australia 1246 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:23,560 in New South Wales and Victoria has 1247 00:53:30,250 --> 00:53:28,370 simply said the conclusion is shuru does 1248 00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:30,260 not produce a sound that is detectable 1249 00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:32,990 400 meters shuru makes no difference to 1250 00:53:37,870 --> 00:53:34,700 the number of kangaroos head when fitted 1251 00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:37,880 to vehicles so are you saying it's a 1252 00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:39,860 scam Richard I'm not saying it's a scam 1253 00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:41,750 I'm just saying it doesn't work I know 1254 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:43,160 whether that's a scam or not is a 1255 00:53:48,610 --> 00:53:46,730 different question entirely mm-hmm yes 1256 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:48,620 indeed I put up lights another it rhymes 1257 00:53:58,450 --> 00:53:56,570 with we would choose other just an 1258 00:53:59,620 --> 00:53:58,460 observation she runs with the sort of 1259 00:54:02,320 --> 00:53:59,630 things we have to deal with in in 1260 00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:02,330 Australia folks is funny devices on cars 1261 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:04,700 the shoe way kangaroos it's true it's 1262 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:06,770 true does it make an audible sound cuz 1263 00:54:12,370 --> 00:54:10,610 that'll be funny wouldn't it yeah how do 1264 00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:12,380 you make of those mega normals are 1265 00:54:16,930 --> 00:54:13,910 surely there's a selection pressure on 1266 00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:16,940 on kangaroos who can before the sound of 1267 00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:18,830 cars what is the novelty whole you know 1268 00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:21,110 there's still only infinitely eight 1269 00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:24,230 homes in another room cuz you don't hear 1270 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:25,670 that all the time well maybe that they 1271 00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:26,930 could have a device in the car so just 1272 00:54:29,860 --> 00:54:28,870 played the Skippy song 1273 00:54:34,450 --> 00:54:29,870 doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo 1274 00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:34,460 doo-doo-doo-doo-doo these two go boy 1275 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:36,500 looks a lot of time offensive no I 1276 00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:38,150 remember born I was little like not well 1277 00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:41,140 enough to remember the things on the 1278 00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:45,350 bush that's right yeah there isn't one 1279 00:54:50,099 --> 00:54:47,400 job in front of a car i'm sure 1280 00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,109 so thank you to the shooter that's a 1281 00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,760 very interesting story Tiffany can you 1282 00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:53,440 tell our listeners quickly about dumb 1283 00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:55,569 The Skeptical events coming up in 1284 00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:58,450 Macquarie uni oh yes at my university 1285 00:55:03,059 --> 00:55:01,119 Macquarie University our little skeptics 1286 00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:03,069 group Macquarie skeptics are having a 1287 00:55:08,370 --> 00:55:06,280 skeptics week it's running from the 1288 00:55:11,849 --> 00:55:08,380 ninth of March that's a monday to friday 1289 00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:11,859 the 13th of march we've got a vent to 1290 00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:14,680 plan for every day and our big finale on 1291 00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:16,300 the friday will be Richard giving us a 1292 00:55:21,059 --> 00:55:19,390 talk right yeah we've got a few talks 1293 00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:21,069 lined up during the week we've also 1294 00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:24,630 we're doing a beer divining evening Oh 1295 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:28,480 beer divining wizard on the Tuesday the 1296 00:55:34,770 --> 00:55:32,050 season if you find that you get you get 1297 00:55:36,210 --> 00:55:34,780 beer it's the 10th or something yeah the 1298 00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:36,220 10th the 10th are you searching for 1299 00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:37,540 water but if you find it you get Bureau 1300 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:39,700 you search for beer water and if you 1301 00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:42,130 find it get beer wow that sounds I mean 1302 00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,020 that's the plan anyway winding roads I 1303 00:55:48,540 --> 00:55:46,960 could bring them oh cool and council 1304 00:55:50,970 --> 00:55:48,550 worker using divining Ross the other day 1305 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:50,980 wait really was it not sin he was on the 1306 00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:52,510 pavement he was clearly kind of spray 1307 00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:54,670 painting whether whether subterranean 1308 00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,720 pipes are often then he was actually 1309 00:56:00,299 --> 00:55:58,000 isn't it dude I've been through this I 1310 00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,309 have a friend that works for the Council 1311 00:56:03,870 --> 00:56:02,559 and they use that his word was trying to 1312 00:56:05,579 --> 00:56:03,880 argue with me saying we use this at work 1313 00:56:08,579 --> 00:56:05,589 though but we use it at work or what 1314 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:08,589 that doesn't make it like true it's 1315 00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,609 about how he's supposed to go to the 1316 00:56:14,099 --> 00:56:12,640 pipes are surely surely very counter 1317 00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:14,109 we're gonna give you a map of where all 1318 00:56:18,839 --> 00:56:16,900 the piping is in late Carl yeah yeah 1319 00:56:20,819 --> 00:56:18,849 I've already I've been through this not 1320 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:20,829 gonna go anywhere of it I just can't 1321 00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:22,089 believe it I wanted to go to you know 1322 00:56:26,819 --> 00:56:24,520 what and say but that LD I think you're 1323 00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:26,829 doing mom he had this DVD I'd like to 1324 00:56:31,289 --> 00:56:28,420 play in everyone did he have to rattle 1325 00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:31,299 me out of the light either like 22 why 1326 00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,369 long and kind of the l-shaped rods that 1327 00:56:37,550 --> 00:56:35,440 supposed to cross yeah my appears to be 1328 00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,560 kind of metal 1329 00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:39,960 so it wasn't it wouldn't want us get her 1330 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:41,910 a few things but honestly what's a lot 1331 00:56:45,980 --> 00:56:43,530 of nonsense so where can we will find 1332 00:56:48,050 --> 00:56:45,990 out more about you Macquarie skeptics 1333 00:56:52,580 --> 00:56:48,060 com that's the way we're both so good 1334 00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:52,590 pirate party a pirate trivia that's 1335 00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:54,540 gonna be good it would be the defining 1336 00:56:59,840 --> 00:56:56,910 for beer why didn't I think of that I 1337 00:57:01,610 --> 00:56:59,850 think I'd be good enough I think we if 1338 00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:01,620 we had someone's now we could divine mr. 1339 00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:03,360 positive bias just over there you can 1340 00:57:09,530 --> 00:57:05,940 also find us on facebook facebook groups 1341 00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:09,540 where skeptics at Macquarie okay so 1342 00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,430 please the Sydney listeners that's a 1343 00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:13,920 great place to meet some skeptics and 1344 00:57:17,060 --> 00:57:15,780 skeptics in the pub in Sydney which 1345 00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:17,070 you've been finding yeah through meetup 1346 00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:20,310 group meetup com Sydney's get to Sydney 1347 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:23,460 skeptics that soy actually we've got a 1348 00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:24,810 new room for skeptics in the pub now 1349 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:27,180 Richard we do got so big and so many 1350 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:29,010 lovely fun skeptics that we've moved 1351 00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:31,290 into the room next door from when we 1352 00:57:34,940 --> 00:57:33,000 were previously so it's still the crown 1353 00:57:36,830 --> 00:57:34,950 hotel here in this in Sydney at the 1354 00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:36,840 corner of Elizabeth and Goldman streets 1355 00:57:44,570 --> 00:57:40,500 the first thursday of every month nice 1356 00:57:46,850 --> 00:57:44,580 big funky room yeah it was it's a great 1357 00:57:49,570 --> 00:57:46,860 night great night out and also what I'd 1358 00:57:53,090 --> 00:57:49,580 like to mention is listeners on Twitter 1359 00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:53,100 the skeptic zone has a twitter twit 1360 00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:55,020 there's a twitter twitter twitter 1361 00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:56,850 accounts a twitter account which is 1362 00:58:03,220 --> 00:57:59,220 simply called three guesses skeptics 1363 00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:03,230 eyes get big son that's one guess it's 1364 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:07,200 so if you're on Toyota and look for 1365 00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:08,730 skeptic zone and you can follow the 1366 00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:10,140 adventures of skeptics are and if you're 1367 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:14,160 not on Twitter why not no one if you're 1368 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:16,170 not on Twitter speaking of Twitter of 1369 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:17,610 years oh I forgot to mention earlier 1370 00:58:24,290 --> 00:58:21,570 also to that Stephen Fry tweeted about 1371 00:58:25,809 --> 00:58:24,300 Ben Goldacre oh yes yesterday saying he 1372 00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:25,819 needs our support 1373 00:58:30,130 --> 00:58:28,609 but Ben Goldacre also posted a link a 1374 00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:30,140 couple of days ago on Twitter which was 1375 00:58:35,949 --> 00:58:33,529 to that the Atheist bus slogan generator 1376 00:58:37,269 --> 00:58:35,959 website yes you guys seen it yes I see 1377 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:37,279 nothing yes it's so much fun so 1378 00:58:41,949 --> 00:58:39,170 basically listens it's a sort of 1379 00:58:44,289 --> 00:58:41,959 template of the the London bus with the 1380 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:44,299 ad on the side and then you have three 1381 00:58:48,249 --> 00:58:45,650 boxes where you can type in your own 1382 00:58:50,049 --> 00:58:48,259 slogan and then you press go and it puts 1383 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:50,059 it up on the side of the bus for you and 1384 00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,890 then you can save it and you put it in 1385 00:58:55,479 --> 00:58:53,839 so you could type in something like if 1386 00:58:58,509 --> 00:58:55,489 you don't believe in God visit dave the 1387 00:59:01,599 --> 00:58:58,519 happy singer died because he got it even 1388 00:59:04,299 --> 00:59:01,609 I was waiting for that he got easier 1389 00:59:07,420 --> 00:59:04,309 sure I just need a dodgy segue and we 1390 00:59:10,930 --> 00:59:07,430 can wrap this up he hasn't done a dodgy 1391 00:59:12,759 --> 00:59:10,940 con yet I have you yeah that's nice I'll 1392 00:59:14,229 --> 00:59:12,769 save our listeners that but if you got 1393 00:59:15,459 --> 00:59:14,239 if you do a search for bus slogan 1394 00:59:17,499 --> 00:59:15,469 generator I can't remember the web 1395 00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:17,509 address cumin to you and I'm sure if you 1396 00:59:20,499 --> 00:59:18,529 google it you'll find it yeah you'll 1397 00:59:22,660 --> 00:59:20,509 find it it's your own what's a fun now 1398 00:59:24,249 --> 00:59:22,670 we've been getting lots of emails likely 1399 00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:24,259 in fact Rachel I don't know just before 1400 00:59:29,289 --> 00:59:26,390 we came here tonight and I know you were 1401 00:59:31,979 --> 00:59:29,299 at the gym I wasn't worth the gym we had 1402 00:59:34,539 --> 00:59:31,989 an email coming about the big cats 1403 00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:34,549 somebody saw has seen a big cat and they 1404 00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:36,049 sent me an email about it and somebody 1405 00:59:40,329 --> 00:59:38,180 has sent you and I an email about Achmed 1406 00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,339 so thank you everybody who's been 1407 00:59:43,089 --> 00:59:41,839 writing to us we will reply to your 1408 00:59:45,609 --> 00:59:43,099 letters that you can take a bit of time 1409 00:59:47,529 --> 00:59:45,619 sometimes force quit so many but we'd 1410 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:47,539 love to get your email feedback and your 1411 00:59:51,009 --> 00:59:49,849 comments on our comment page that you 1412 00:59:54,099 --> 00:59:51,019 can write to me because nobody ever 1413 00:59:57,579 --> 00:59:54,109 writes to me ah you can write to me as 1414 00:59:59,300 --> 00:59:57,589 well no yeah there's enough ice for 1415 01:00:03,110 --> 00:59:59,310 today yeah 1416 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:03,120 can I talk about a AIDS scammer that's 1417 01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:05,610 prowling around sydney please do and I 1418 01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:07,830 say scammer I'm quoting from someone 1419 01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:10,700 else's work in case you want to sue me 1420 01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:13,350 these look I wanna see you in case he 1421 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:23,540 and I blogged about this a couple of 1422 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:26,730 days ago on skeptics book in fact can I 1423 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:28,530 just mention as an aside my blog is 1424 01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:31,530 called the skeptics book of poo poo yeah 1425 01:00:35,390 --> 01:00:33,510 there's a link from skeptic zone TV 1426 01:00:37,550 --> 01:00:35,400 there is in the URL is just skeptics 1427 01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:37,560 book calm but since all this stuff 1428 01:00:41,180 --> 01:00:39,870 exploded with Ben and my blog has been 1429 01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:41,190 linked all over the place because I've 1430 01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:44,040 got part 4 of the transcript it's just 1431 01:00:48,740 --> 01:00:45,720 turned into dr. ray cheese blog the 1432 01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:48,750 skeptics book everyone living off the PO 1433 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:51,720 prove it ah it's all right best part 1434 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:54,330 that's what I think too oh it's linked 1435 01:00:57,740 --> 01:00:55,890 as the skeptics book of poo poo a day 1436 01:01:01,850 --> 01:00:57,750 for happy singer Darko oh thank you Dave 1437 01:01:04,190 --> 01:01:01,860 I'll have to yeah he's done it again 1438 01:01:06,050 --> 01:01:04,200 it's like being rickrolled isn't it you 1439 01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:06,060 never know what he's gonna come up with 1440 01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:11,640 right when you left it well this story 1441 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:14,460 was in the sydney star observer observer 1442 01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:16,410 this week which is a gay street press 1443 01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:18,210 that you find for free around sydney it 1444 01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:20,760 comes from a report written by highly 1445 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:22,980 dennis is the journalist and it was 1446 01:01:27,350 --> 01:01:25,170 about this gentleman his name is Brad 1447 01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:27,360 Paxton and he apparently came into the 1448 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:30,270 sydney star observer offices with some 1449 01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,050 evidence he said for an organic formula 1450 01:01:37,780 --> 01:01:36,000 he's invented or discovered which will 1451 01:01:40,990 --> 01:01:37,790 cure aids cancer died 1452 01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:41,000 my blood pressure wow it's pretty 1453 01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:43,400 impressive isn't it he's actually asking 1454 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:46,400 people to donate money to his cause so 1455 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:49,130 that he can do a backyard trial my god 1456 01:01:53,950 --> 01:01:51,530 backyard charlie well similar to that 1457 01:01:57,490 --> 01:01:53,960 I'm anything but do in hospitals no no 1458 01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:57,500 no he doesn't Dave because um he he 1459 01:02:01,630 --> 01:01:58,970 doesn't want this getting out to the 1460 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:01,640 pharmaceuticals he's trying to keep a 1461 01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:04,010 low profile with like-minded people all 1462 01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:05,720 right I have I keep hearing yeah 1463 01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:07,790 thinking of a great big fat guy you know 1464 01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:10,750 with a straw straw is that going home I 1465 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:15,110 even gonna hit the big pharma's he's 1466 01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:18,650 gonna stop aids cures so did you say he 1467 01:02:22,060 --> 01:02:20,630 approached a newspaper yes you know he 1468 01:02:24,310 --> 01:02:22,070 went to but he's trying to keep a low 1469 01:02:26,110 --> 01:02:24,320 profile that's correct right yeah okay 1470 01:02:27,580 --> 01:02:26,120 he went to the observer and he 1471 01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:27,590 apparently turned up with photographs 1472 01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:30,640 which this journalist described as 1473 01:02:37,930 --> 01:02:33,230 magnified pictures of blood cells to 1474 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:37,940 justify his claim and to me that raises 1475 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:39,530 a red flag it sounds to me like live 1476 01:02:44,110 --> 01:02:41,930 blood analysis oh I mean I haven't seen 1477 01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:44,120 the photographs and apparently the paper 1478 01:02:48,970 --> 01:02:46,310 asked if they could keep copies to give 1479 01:02:51,610 --> 01:02:48,980 them examined independently but he said 1480 01:02:53,230 --> 01:02:51,620 and listen to this red flag people I've 1481 01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:53,240 got the negatives but I'd rather keep 1482 01:03:02,510 --> 01:02:59,120 that's almost exactly was said about 1483 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:02,520 that Bigfoot suit in the freezer only 1484 01:03:07,340 --> 01:03:05,010 let it be examined by these special true 1485 01:03:10,850 --> 01:03:07,350 believers here with a experts and 1486 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:10,860 believing things to me yeah well he 1487 01:03:15,020 --> 01:03:13,290 apparently this guy has done something 1488 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:15,030 similar to this in the past in fact he 1489 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:16,890 has previously been investigated by the 1490 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:19,770 TGA and I did a search on the TGA 1491 01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:21,810 website with for his name and I couldn't 1492 01:03:29,170 --> 01:03:25,740 find what he allegedly did but the 1493 01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:29,180 Sydney star has elicited a warning to 1494 01:03:33,050 --> 01:03:31,740 the gay community of Sydney saying if 1495 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:33,060 this guy approaches you and ask you for 1496 01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:35,370 money for this amazing magic cure stay 1497 01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:37,500 away from me good on him yeah well it's 1498 01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:38,790 groovy actually I was interested to 1499 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:40,500 seeing it in the article they posted not 1500 01:03:48,410 --> 01:03:43,050 just his name but he's photographed good 1501 01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:48,420 and this is actually I'm from him do you 1502 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:49,710 think he's a doctor or a scientist 1503 01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:52,410 people GE do we get three guesses no 1504 01:03:57,620 --> 01:03:55,650 clearly he's clearly um no he runs a 1505 01:04:02,270 --> 01:03:57,630 skylight installation business on the 1506 01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:02,280 northern beaches of Sydney so I told 1507 01:04:05,090 --> 01:04:03,720 someone is the other day and they said I 1508 01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:05,100 was he gonna install skylights and 1509 01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:06,750 people is that the magical cure or 1510 01:04:12,099 --> 01:04:09,420 something so stay away from Brad Paxton 1511 01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:12,109 people 1512 01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:14,910 do we have anything else and under Pam 1513 01:04:20,359 --> 01:04:18,180 oh very briefly some he wants to talk 1514 01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:20,369 about briefs and the pen he wants to 1515 01:04:27,380 --> 01:04:24,329 talk about unfolding of chubbies this is 1516 01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:27,390 just briefly a Hindu radical 1517 01:04:32,509 --> 01:04:30,390 organization has been attacking female 1518 01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:32,519 students going into clubs for you know 1519 01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,039 behaving freely you know and entering 1520 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:36,960 curbs there just stay aware what kinda 1521 01:04:46,490 --> 01:04:43,730 this was in India oh and the group 1522 01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:46,500 seemed quite fundamental link to the the 1523 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:47,940 Hindu nationalist movement we're trying 1524 01:04:51,049 --> 01:04:49,890 to stop women going out into the Pope 1525 01:04:53,299 --> 01:04:51,059 there's been a bit of a backlash on 1526 01:05:04,359 --> 01:04:53,309 facebook the consortium of poop going 1527 01:05:16,609 --> 01:05:06,680 and I thought no I can't say that on the 1528 01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:16,619 podcast yeah the set up a campaign on 1529 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:20,880 facebook to send paint knickers this 1530 01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:22,650 Valentine's Day to the leaders of this 1531 01:05:27,999 --> 01:05:24,630 this group who were called the sky Ram 1532 01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:28,009 seen a group and the nickel thing is a 1533 01:05:34,279 --> 01:05:32,910 is connected to the Hindu nationalist 1534 01:05:37,099 --> 01:05:34,289 movement who are famous for wearing the 1535 01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:37,109 big baggy shorts launched at ease in a 1536 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:40,140 slang so the same right you know pants 1537 01:05:45,859 --> 01:05:44,250 to this spending some knickers that'll 1538 01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:45,869 be funny funny it's just nice you know 1539 01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:48,569 because we do we do a lot of bashing of 1540 01:05:52,750 --> 01:05:50,240 Christian and 1541 01:05:54,460 --> 01:05:52,760 muslim fundamentalists within the the 1542 01:05:56,109 --> 01:05:54,470 free thought movement and it's just 1543 01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,119 sometimes you can just roll the dice you 1544 01:05:59,140 --> 01:05:57,680 roll one dice for which religion it is 1545 01:06:01,240 --> 01:05:59,150 and another for which my nada Terry it 1546 01:06:03,790 --> 01:06:01,250 is and will be will be some nut cases 1547 01:06:06,550 --> 01:06:03,800 out there trying to take people's 1548 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:06,560 freedom away so yeah by some big pink 1549 01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:09,050 knickers and what's the website there 1550 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:11,240 it's on facebook if you search for the 1551 01:06:16,450 --> 01:06:13,250 consortium of poop going loose and 1552 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:16,460 forward women have going noise and 1553 01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:18,770 forward women consulting appt up going 1554 01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:21,470 loose and forward women and if you can't 1555 01:06:32,830 --> 01:06:23,990 find it I'll link Twitter Dave the happy 1556 01:06:34,660 --> 01:06:32,840 single yeah Oh dearie me well thank you 1557 01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:34,670 very much Dave the happy singer calm 1558 01:06:39,970 --> 01:06:38,510 outdated thank you so much for having me 1559 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:39,980 Richard it's a pleasure pleasure i love 1560 01:06:44,109 --> 01:06:41,810 the skeptics are great and tiffany day 1561 01:06:46,810 --> 01:06:44,119 thank you inside to see you again dr. 1562 01:06:48,190 --> 01:06:46,820 Rachel thanks for your report and we'll 1563 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:48,200 have another drink in a couple of weeks 1564 01:07:10,830 --> 01:06:50,690 in the thing tank cool cheers everyone 1565 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:14,620 rigid show 17 another bumper edition of 1566 01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:17,330 the skeptic zone or show 17 now we can 1567 01:07:22,420 --> 01:07:19,250 all look forward to show 18 which will 1568 01:07:25,030 --> 01:07:22,430 be part 2 of our major long interview 1569 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:25,040 with dr. ben goldacre oh yes indeed it's 1570 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:27,050 going very well a lot of good responses 1571 01:07:30,370 --> 01:07:28,730 from that too yeah he's got a guy he's 1572 01:07:32,170 --> 01:07:30,380 got a lot of fans yeah he's pretty good 1573 01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:32,180 he does have a lot of fun so I'm looking 1574 01:07:36,310 --> 01:07:33,830 forward to that and then will be shown 1575 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:36,320 umber they'll be at a show 18 mb show 19 1576 01:07:41,050 --> 01:07:39,290 this kid go forever I hope so yeah so 1577 01:07:42,970 --> 01:07:41,060 yeah great show and thanks everyone for 1578 01:07:44,620 --> 01:07:42,980 listening and thanks for helping us get 1579 01:07:46,570 --> 01:07:44,630 up those charts and things and yeah 1580 01:07:48,250 --> 01:07:46,580 basically just doin our thing in the 1581 01:07:50,380 --> 01:07:48,260 zone we are doing nothing in the zone 1582 01:07:55,870 --> 01:07:50,390 Stefan I shall see you in two weeks 1583 01:07:58,270 --> 01:07:55,880 thank you Richard it's been good you've 1584 01:08:02,860 --> 01:07:58,280 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 1585 01:08:05,350 --> 01:08:02,870 our website at WWF digs on TV the 1586 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:05,360 comments contacts and extra video 1587 01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:12,740 it